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cellolott Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2012
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Kimanda Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
Well, it seems like humon decided to delete her latest journal but I saw your comment in time to reply to you, if you don't mind. ^^ Here was my initial reply:

"*raises hand excitedly* I'm currently studying Celtic Civilisation and I happen to be in the time period of 400-900 AD. ^^ There is actually some debate over what "Scotti" truly means. One theory is that it means "shooters" and that it comes from the word "Scythi". There is a story about the man Éber Scot who led the Gaels from Egypt to Scythia and then those descendents travelled to Ireland. Another theory is that Scotti comes from a medieval name connected to Ireland, "Scotia". The name comes from another story where an Egyptian princess Scotta married Mil Espáine when they lived in Spain and their children went to invade Ireland and became the ancestors of the Irish. To further confuse us, there is one tribe recorded in Ireland who had the name Scotraige. So... the story of the Scotti is quite confusing.

Not that I'm claiming that the Ulaid were not the Scotti, but there might have been a lot of confusion. The Romans tended to brand all Germans who raided Great Britain as Saxons, although we're now certain that Jutes, Angles, Frisians were also mixed in with the bunch. The Ulaid and the Cruithne seemed to have been the largest surviving groups of people who eventually merged to give rise to the kingdom of Ulster. Though how the Scotti and the Attacotti relate to all this, we don't have a lot of information unfortunately.

Though I am pleased that I recognise almost everything you've written and I even recognise the books. I love Cunliffe's books! I was certain though that it was the Laigin who invaded and briefly settled parts of Wales and Cornwall but after checking my facts, I found that the Scotti also attacked and settled in Wales. But those settlements all failed, the only one that made it was Dál Riata up in the north. But I read that Argyll was actually inhabited by a possibly Goidel tribe (the Epidii) as early as the 1st century AD, so we once again have some confusion there about how early did the Irish start invading.

Eh, sorry about that. It seems like I got even more carried away than you..."
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Sirithduriel Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some interesting details there! I'm pretty sure you have a more in-depth knowledge on Celtic history than me: I only took two courses (one about Celtic civilization in general, and one about Ireland during the period 400-1200 AD), and those were years ago, unfortunately. I stand corrected on the meaning of 'scotti' - turns out many things aren't as straightforward as we'd like about history. I didn't know about some of these theories, perhaps because my teachers didn't consider them important to the courses at the time. When I get back home (living in Dublin right now for a few months), I should read my books again, brush up on some of the details.

About the invasions in Wales. I did not mean to imply it was the Scotti/Ulaid that invaded Wales, but apparently they might have after all. I would have thought it would be tribes from nowadays Leinster, also because of the ogham stones found in Wales and in that area of Ireland (taking said habit of inscribing such stones with them).

Thanks for the comment and posting it up here, anyway, I love hearing about this stuff!
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Kimanda Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012
Yeah, I've done quite some reading on the Celts, even if my interest in them was recently discovered last summer. I'm hoping to take the course again next year, even if I am actually studying to become a zoologist. What I really like about the Celts though is that there are many questions that don't have a definite answer. It makes speculation of these questions a lot more interesting.

Well, it seems that Wales got mixed invasions. Though it is believed that the Scotti did invade up to possibly the entire western coast of Great Britain, but it can be assumed that the Romans lumped all the invading Irish tribes into the one that they perhaps had more contact with. Ah yeah, you're talking about the ogham writings! It's crazy to think that they were invented by Irish people who were bilingual in Irish and in Latin.

You're very welcome, I'm always happy to share my knowledge of the Celts with others!
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Xehara Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2011   General Artist
So "Thank you" and "Plus Fav" walk into a bar... have you heard this one?
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